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Post by Scyooff on Dec 22, 2014 21:01:13 GMT 1
I can make three different versions of the Wespe. All three will be included... Triple like
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Post by Major Pain on Dec 22, 2014 21:51:01 GMT 1
You know, after I have dwelled on the Wespe hatch thingie a little more... I'm still amazed about how that little feature got you guys to open up to discuss it. But really, I did not expect this... never saw it coming. I just built the model and decided to add the driver to the Crew, and open his hatch. The impact of the weapon firing never even crossed my mind. So this is proof positive that you guys are thinking seriously about what a model should look like. It also tells me you guys are more about the battle than the drive to the battle. And then there is this one... No mention about this driver?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 21:54:26 GMT 1
Ok... message received... I can make three different versions of the Wespe. Major Pain, you're a great diplomat. Has built three models so long as that everyone is happy, even the effort that entails. Thank you very much, my friend.
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Post by Major Pain on Dec 22, 2014 22:07:15 GMT 1
It was actually easier to create the second two... The original already had the interior built, so closing the top hatch, and opening the front sight was not an issue, nor was closing everything and removing the driver from the crew. About ten minutes of work total.
You are correct... I was trying please everyone...
At some point when you begin to do that, you make no one happy... so next one is now destined to bomb.
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Post by ariete on Dec 23, 2014 12:43:28 GMT 1
hatch open rise the number of the visible operating crew, driver swears different to rechargers/reloaders, and looks like tank lieutenent, but in different pose. great composition, great details. hatch open give a more point in this.
about wespe, i prefer #3, but probably it has already been understood ...
about other models, like this last posted, (if possible) it would look better if it reach the kind of uniforms (at least 2) for crew/passangers ... like in wespe
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 16:05:26 GMT 1
On the issue of skins for crew uniforms to the unit, I do not think it's a matter of modellers, but rather of those who perform the skins. That is why when someone does a skin request for a specific unit in a particular battle, is when we can talk about it and we are to listen. Greetings to all.
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Post by ariete on Dec 23, 2014 16:57:26 GMT 1
On the issue of skins for crew uniforms to the unit, I do not think it's a matter of modellers, but rather of those who perform the skins. because on wespe the modeller make 2 kinds of uniforms for the crew, i've just threw it there .. sure a good skinner must improve all details, this included
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Post by Major Pain on Dec 24, 2014 0:25:11 GMT 1
Crewman with different uniforms... Yep, I did. My thinking is the Officer and Driver both have the cushy jobs... The Loader and Gunner are humping shells as fast as they can. So what, they threw the heavy wools coats off and work in the t-shirts.
Now this can be changed... all four crewman can wear the same uniform easily by just changing the gunner and loader uniform to the other. They all wear the M1935 Helmet. To change those, the model has to be changed. The options are the tanker cap or officer cap, or bareheaded.... or the M1935. This is not a difficult issue to change.
If I'm in an open-top SPG, I'm reaching for a helmet...
Merry Christmas gang...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 13:40:44 GMT 1
Sorry for my absence in this discussion; I was on a trip to Finland, "Icy Hell".. But a beautiful country! Right, to say my opinion: Give me all three, I like them all. The best thing would be a model where the hatch closes when the vehicle shoots. If this is possible, would be cool.. Also nice to build in command tanks.. But now my imagination takes a run..
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Post by Major Pain on Dec 28, 2014 16:01:14 GMT 1
Coming Soon: ZIS Series II A project spanning several months of research and collaboration between Major Pain and Gagarin.Models = Major Pain Textures = GagarinWe are finalizing the final Textures, Commands and a couple of Weapons on the SPG Models.
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Post by tedi88 on Dec 28, 2014 16:24:36 GMT 1
Very nice. Love the Katyushas and that mortar version. Major Pain if you allow me, I have one question regarding mounted AA guns on ZiS trucks: what interests me is how widespread was their usage?
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Post by Major Pain on Dec 28, 2014 18:30:08 GMT 1
AA guns were used in many ways when Air attacks were likely or ongoing.
Many of the guns developed for AA use were also used for AT Guns or as Tank Weapons. Examples: the FlaK 88 was modified for the Tiger. The US M1 90mm AA Gun was modified for the M18 Hellcat.
Browning .50 cal Machine guns were used for Local Air Defense on Sherman and Stewart Tanks... although the guns were not very effective. But nevertheless, they were used against the Stuka Dive Bomber or the Messerschmitt M109 to prevent scraffing. The USSR DSHK machine gun was the equivalent to the M2 Browning and was used on various tanks or even trucks for local air defense. In this Series introduce the ZIS-5 DSHK but testing shows it is not effective against Aircraft... so this may be changed to local ground defense instead.
The Swedish developed the 40mm Bofors for air defense and mounted the gun on various trucks or tracked vehicles. This gun design led to various licensed weapons: The UK QF 40 mm Mark I, (2 pdr), and various versions were used for both air and ground defense. The US also modified and developed the weapon as the 40 mm Automatic Gun M1 which was used on several types of vehicles or carriages, like the M19 Gun Motor Carriage (Modified M24 Chaffee). The Germans developed the 4 cm Flak 28. And the Japanese developed their own Model Type 5. Versions of this weapons are still used today for AA and AT use.
The threat of German and Japanese Air attacks was high during the initial periods of WW2. As their Air Supremacy began to wain, the use of AA guns was less important and the guns were used for AT or local ground defense. AA guns of various types were mounted on trucks, halftracks and tanks in huge numbers in the beginning by all parties.
The USSR shot down almost 15,000 AXIS Planes with their 37mm K61, a version of the 25mm Bofors. This weapon was used on various trucks and carriages, including a simple single axle carriage which could be moved around easily for air defense. The ZIS and GAZ Trucks both used the 37mm 61K in huge numbers, although the GAZ, being a slightly smaller truck was used more favorably. It was a matter of availability more than practical desire.
So as to the question as to how widespread AA guns were employed... really depends on the theater and the period... in the later years of WW2, the AXIS was unable to produce aircraft in the numbers to maintain air supremacy... and that power shifted to the Allies. The AXIS had always provided AA guns in huge numbers on various vehicles and carriages. The German (20mm) 2cm FlaK 30 and 2 cm FlaK 38 were used on almost every type of truck, tracked vehicles and carriages from the beginning of WW2. It was the 2nd most produced weapon Germany built.
In BK, we really don't effectively use our AA potential effectively. Massive air power is not equalized with a huge number of AA guns, but the long term effect in losses of aircraft from AA guns does add up as aircraft cannot be replaced at the same rate of losses. We really can only replicate this by setting the stage in our maps as historically correct as possible. If anything, AA guns might change the way aircraft (pilots) behave.... when they feel threatened by the FlaK and chose to not be as aggressive. BK cannot reproduce this of course since all aircraft are AI controlled.
I hope this covers your question.
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Post by tedi88 on Dec 28, 2014 18:44:17 GMT 1
The USSR shot down almost 15,000 AXIS Planes with their 37mm K61, a version of the 25mm Bofors. This weapon was used on various trucks and carriages, including a simple single axle carriage which could be moved around easily for air defense. The ZIS and GAZ Trucks both used the 37mm 61K in huge numbers, although the GAZ, being a slightly smaller truck was used more favorably. It was a matter of availability more than practical desire. I'm familiar with German and Allied usage of mounted AA guns (as well as history of Bofors AA gun). I was inquiring about USSR usage of mounted AA. Now from the bolded part of the quote, I understand that USSR produced mounted AA extensively. However what I wanted to know is the availability of these weapons, were they common sight on the battlefield (how were they distributed among the units) or not? Thanks for the info.
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Post by gagarin on Dec 28, 2014 19:25:34 GMT 1
I add a little bit. ZIS-42 appeared in the combat units of the Red Army in the autumn of 1942. 37-mm anti-aircraft gun 61-K, on the basis of semi-tracked truck ZIS-42 was used in the winter of 1942. During the war, anti-aircraft guns, in order to increase their maneuverability widely used in all types of Soviet trucks. 37-mm anti-aircraft gun 61-K actively used throughout World War II, for a long time operated by the Red Army. In addition to fighting with stormtroopers, fighter-bombers and dive bombers, 61-K in 1941 and used as anti-tank guns.
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Post by Major Pain on Dec 28, 2014 19:27:16 GMT 1
I can't advise how common the 37mm 61 K may have been in specific engagements, but the Soviets produced 20,000 of this weapon.
It stands to reason that they would have employed the use of either the carriage mounted or vehicle mounted AA guns in most situations as long a AXIS air power was a threat.
I'll defer to gagarin as to the use of the ZIS versus the GAZ trucks, and perhaps he has a more extensive source of photos than I have.
And next up will be the GAZ Series which is also in the development stage.
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