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Post by vonosten on Jul 9, 2018 16:01:39 GMT 1
I just don't have the time to learn to script, creating objects I can do in every spare moment I have during the day and it goes quite fast. Nevertheless, I hope the map will be interesting enough to build a script around.
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Post by Quintaxel on Jul 9, 2018 16:21:13 GMT 1
Do not get me wrong. We are all very busy and not everybody should master all disciplines of map making. You focus on objects and units and we, the community members, are happy with that. Have fun mapping.
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Post by vonosten on Jul 9, 2018 18:35:50 GMT 1
Well I guess this maybe fun?
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Post by Quintaxel on Jul 9, 2018 20:59:01 GMT 1
It look very realistic, almost like a picture. Finding the units is already a mission. Just an idea. Why not just remap an existing mission of eg BK or RT ? You could keep the units, the script and the overall layout of the map but change to look of the map.
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Post by Grot on Jul 9, 2018 21:11:24 GMT 1
that is awesome idea Q. VO do it please.
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Post by vonosten on Jul 9, 2018 22:26:09 GMT 1
Yes, it's a good idea! But help me out here. Which existing map would be appropriate? It needs to have at least a size of 20x20 and an interesting scenario. Vanilla versions only.
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Post by Quintaxel on Jul 9, 2018 22:44:34 GMT 1
Grot, need your help here !!
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Post by Grot on Jul 9, 2018 23:26:22 GMT 1
Well I have no idea how long it would take Mr.VO to convert a map. How about whole chapter ? Even better convert whole Campaign ..that would be epic
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Post by Quintaxel on Jul 10, 2018 6:30:24 GMT 1
I suggest to start with a single map. If it's fun to convert a single map then I'm sure that more will follow. So anyone, which map would be suitable to convert. Size at least 20x20 and Vanilla ?
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Post by ariete on Jul 10, 2018 11:55:30 GMT 1
mah! if i would have stored somewhere maps without own script, i would surely give them the life they need .. so, just to play
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Post by bb on Jul 11, 2018 3:46:14 GMT 1
I suggest to start with a single map. If it's fun to convert a single map then I'm sure that more will follow. So anyone, which map would be suitable to convert. Size at least 20x20 and Vanilla ? Achtung Panzer, always come to mind if someone ask about a classic vanilla work. There are also some old maps made by Wespex which could be reworked. Another good possibility is working on an old Brendel map, they could be interesting if totally overhauled, but a new script made by you Quintaxel definetively would be necessary.
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Post by Quintaxel on Jul 11, 2018 6:47:44 GMT 1
Lua scripting itself is not the real problem but putting together a scenario is. As far as I know there are different aspects of making a map.
1) overall layout of the map: the battleground Rivers, roads, hills forest, passibility of the terrain,.... 2) choice and placement of units: Balancing the units during gameplay. 3) Map AI: The adding basic AI to the map using the map editor. Start commands, artillery positions. 4) Scenario: Determine the Wining and losing conditions, the AI tactics and behaviour of the AI. What is expected of the AI ? How does the AI has to react to the player's actions and the changing conditions of the battlefield. Putting together a script in text. 5) Lua scripting: Translating Point 4 in a language that is understood by the BK engine. This is in most cases the easy part. 6) Dressing the map: Using the editor to detail the map and make it look great. This is what Vo wants to do.
Most people seem to struggle with step 5 but once you know what you expect from the AI then it all comes down to translating it to Lua. The other steps are more difficult and require other skills.
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Post by vonosten on Jul 11, 2018 10:35:04 GMT 1
Okay, for a try-out I decided to rework an Achtung panzer map.
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Post by vonosten on Jul 15, 2018 13:36:42 GMT 1
Change of plans! Achtung Panzer maps were all too small for my likings. I decided to rework the 'Arracur'map instead. I'm creating custom items while working on it: Village water pump, laundry lines, agriculture landvariations, farm carts and a tractor, but this I took from men of War, so could be a problem. If one can give me a legal file of a tractor, I would appreciate it!
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Post by vonosten on Jul 15, 2018 15:44:33 GMT 1
...and some rework of buildings and further items.
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