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Post by Major Pain on Apr 13, 2013 1:21:01 GMT 1
I'm sure there were more than a few Browned panzers after being attacked by a P51 or P47...   |
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Post by Jagged Steel on Apr 13, 2013 1:27:11 GMT 1
I looked up the Gelbraun, which is specified as RAL #8020 recently in a color chip catalog and discovered that it is in fact a heck of a lot lighter than any of the Dunkelgelb variants. I had always assumed that this lighter shade of tan was one of the Dunkelgelb colors and that the darker variant of Dunkelgelb was Gelbraun. This was the best match I could find online to RAL # 8020.  To me this is yellow and not brown. I have in all honesty never seen a color picture of a WWII German AFV painted in a base color that I would consider "brown". Just one more thing:  There ya have it. Also: To be fair, I have also never seen a picture of any WWII American equipment painted tan or brown either, like the very nice desert skins SJ has been producing. I do really like them, and they sure seem right, but in actuality AFAIK all of the american AFVs- even in North Africa, were either light Olive Drab (flat) or the pre-war dark OD which was more of a semi-gloss. |
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 13, 2013 1:35:19 GMT 1
Ahhhhhhh.... this was discussion about the outside paint color..... Nevermind... and.... while we are speaking about stepping in it... and before SJ reminds me I have mis-used a word above... I seem to have stepped in it... Bloak - a hamlet or clachan in East Ayrshire, Parish of Stewarton, Scotland. Bloke - a slang term for a man My humble apology... sometimes my fingers do the thinking for me... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the matter of brown tanks... there was a fair amount of mud applied to tanks, trucks, uniforms... etc... I would suppose the exterior of the above could take on the tinge of the local top soil... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was reading a book by Steve Zaloga recently. He discussed the shortages of paint the Germans were experiencing in 1943-44 and states most Tanks and SPGs left for the fronts with nothing more than the Dunkelgeld base coat as a primer... and the color ranged from burnt-orange to dark yellow due to pigment issues. Hmmm. Seems like I've seen similiar pigments issues in a baby diaper... __________________________________________________________________________ And this just in...  People in Alaka woke this morning to... a green sky? No word on Purple Spots showing up yet. Professor Simon Gustavo of the United Federation of Sky-Watchers states emphatically... "We do not expect Purple Spots. It is virtually impossible for purple spots to make an appearance during a Green Sky Event." Fashion Designer Tonta Benalli seems to disagree with the Professor: "I would consider the infusion of purple spots against a vivid green blend to be a very bold statement." At this time, we have had reports of anyone seeing spots before their eyes... Stay tuned for further details on this breaking story.... and whether the purple spots appear...
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 13, 2013 2:17:20 GMT 1
Breaking NEWS... The Sky is Green with Purple Rays... over the Great Lakes!  No purple spots yet....  It seems Squire is quite correct... The sky is not Green with Purple Spots.... Bravo... Damn... the things one can learn here... |
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Post by kellyshero on Apr 13, 2013 10:35:25 GMT 1
Great skins VO.........any news on when these will be available please? Keep up the excellent work  |
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 13, 2013 12:39:54 GMT 1
VO... you make them anyway you want sir... No one is twisting arms and forcing anyone to us them. Hmmmm...... Well, there may be some nose pulling and eye gouging..... BUT NO ARM TWISTING! Anyway.... Comments should be viewed as constructive critism and not repudiation. I'd hate to think the guys around here have ill-intentions against anyone.  |
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 13, 2013 13:40:08 GMT 1
Your work is always top-notch...
I agree... yellow might work in the desert... but may be a bit to light in Europe. Of course they used whatever they could get their hands on to add some pattern... including captured paint.
I was reading a book where the author states that painting their tanks was a low priority for German Tankers, and when they finally got around to it, it was haphazard. This accounts for the numerous schemes used. So it seems to me, anything was possible since no 2 tanks were likely the same.
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 13, 2013 15:06:20 GMT 1
I'm sure if they could get Black paint in quantity... they would have preferred Black Tanks... lol...
i.e. uniform and ideology...
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 14, 2013 3:51:16 GMT 1
Yes you are...That's why we let you into this club... lol...
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Post by Major Pain on Apr 14, 2013 14:51:33 GMT 1
OK... I think enough discussion has been conducted over paint colors.
How about we just move on to more constructive topics and not continue to erode the purpose of Von Osten's topic.
We all can agree on one thing.... none of us were around between 1939 and 1945, so none of us have have first hand knowledge from being there. While I know there a couple of guys around here that may have painted a modern tank in their past, the focus has been on a historical matter which continues to confound even the experts. The issue is subjective, meaning, who really knows exactly who did what and when. But the issue now is not so much about Brown Tanks.
I previously stated that an author must have creative latitude when producing skins or models. Not everyone may like it or use it. But lets restrain ourselves from blasting what someone has created. I'm not suggesting anyone withhold constructive criticism; I believe most of us that produce things welcome it. But lets keep it clean and respectful.... please.
My apologies Robbert.
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Post by Jagged Steel on Apr 14, 2013 21:04:26 GMT 1
Even this guy knows that those really dark panzers in Africa were actually painted a very dark shade of"Dunkelweibe", not "Grau"!  Sorry, I couldn't resist... Everybody involved in this dustup (perhaps with the exception of myself  ) has made and continues to make a lot of really great things for BK and for the most part everything is pretty much historically accurate. Certainly more accurate than the original units in BK were, that is for sure. If you listen very carefully while reading these panzer color arguments you can hear the collective groan of thousands of dead tankers who could have cared less what the name of the color of paint on the tank they were blown to smithereens in was. |
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Post by iLeeT_PeeP on Apr 15, 2013 2:04:18 GMT 1
Give von his thread back guys... Delete yer posts on this pointless argument.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 13:47:28 GMT 1
Now, where were we..  Experiment with copying the Schurtzen from a drawing directly to the tga file.. |
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Post by Stanenberg on Apr 15, 2013 13:57:29 GMT 1
Very good skins vonosten I like the Schuertzen  btw: can we already download some of this skins here? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 15:49:37 GMT 1
 Like this:  |
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) has made and continues to make a lot of really great things for BK and for the most part everything is pretty much historically accurate. Certainly more accurate than the original units in BK were, that is for sure.
