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Post by Quintaxel on May 10, 2016 11:11:38 GMT 1
If you know of a good book or novel that you want to share with the community then you can post it here on this thread. Books should preferably have a link to military topics (equipment, strategy, history, …).
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Post by Quintaxel on May 10, 2016 11:43:10 GMT 1
Let me kick-off with a book I read last Summer. Grey Wolf - The escape of Adolf Hitler by Gerrard Williams and Simon Dunstan  According official history Adolf Hitler died in his bunker in Berlin. As far as I know there is also no proof that he actually did. In this book the authors claim to have evidence that Hitler survived the war and fled to Argentina were he died of old age. Some may find this idea controversial or far fetched but there's nothing wrong with looking at history from different viewpoints I guess. The book is well written (IMO) and the first part gives an insight in how the war was financed. I would advise the book if it were only for this part. Link to Amazon |
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Post by atlas555 on May 10, 2016 14:27:19 GMT 1
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Post by Quintaxel on May 10, 2016 15:07:11 GMT 1
Looks very interesting @atlas. Found This website dedicated to the book.  I might try the audiobook, cause I do not have so much time for reading. With an audiobook I can enjoy a book while taking a walk. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 17:22:52 GMT 1
I read this very interesting narrated by Guderian.  But a good Spanish friend gave it to me 5 years ago and is in Spanish.  If anyone is interested I can only give free download but in Spanish.  I like very much this section.  Hitler's Panzers East: World War II Reinterpreted |
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Post by Stanenberg on May 10, 2016 21:32:52 GMT 1
I read this at the moment:  Quite enjoyable, exept his analysis of the Red Army which is just bullshit lol |
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Post by Denis on May 10, 2016 22:49:50 GMT 1
exept his analysis of the Red Army which is just bullshit lol why? |
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Post by Stanenberg on May 11, 2016 10:52:21 GMT 1
He has the very common view among german WWII officers, that the red army was just won because of its mass of material and soldiers. He also has a quite negative view on the soviet soldiers which is influenced by prejudices about russia at that time. It doesnt take the massive progress of the Red army in its tactics during the late war in account.
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Post by alex on May 11, 2016 15:57:47 GMT 1
If Germany was aware of Russian superiority in manpower and material resources - what it was to start a war with Russia?
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Post by Stanenberg on May 11, 2016 19:31:43 GMT 1
The German High Command thought it could beat the Sovietunion in a Blitzkrieg before superior numbers and material would change the course of the war.
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Post by kaoz on May 11, 2016 22:18:28 GMT 1
Yes, there was a big difference in Russian equipment at the start and the end of WW2. It's been said 1000x before, but what if Moscow was taken in 1941?
Without wanting to critize Red Army tactics, at the end, they did have the numbers of soldiers, next to better equipment. Lots of 1944-1945 battles do tell of lots of USSR soldiers against small amounts of Germans. While German defense was very skilled and battles unbalanced in numbers, they still managed to hurt even knowing the chance was almost nihil.
I guess it happened in a lot of wars: those who have nothing to lose, fight harder, no?
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Post by atlas555 on May 12, 2016 13:55:03 GMT 1
There is also the fact that certain German officers assisted in teaching the Red Army the tactics needed to defeat their own armies. It is one thing to surrender\be captured and wait the outcome of the war-it is another to be a traitor.
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Post by Stanenberg on May 12, 2016 14:06:56 GMT 1
It is true that:
a) The Russians mostly won the war because of their bigger resources, there is no doubt of that and most wars in history were won by the party with the biggest resources
b) The Russians did copy a lot of their tactics from the Germans in 1941 and 1942. They improved some of them and adopted them to fit in with the red army combat style in general
The point is, that Mellenthin describes the Russian Soldier as primitive and cruel and uses other not so nice terms to describe Russian mentality and way of living. This was the general view in Germany, if not in whole western europe, back then, but its based on racist prejudices of that time.
Still an amazing books when it comes to armoured warfare tactics during WWII!
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Post by tedi88 on May 12, 2016 15:43:27 GMT 1
Yes, there was a big difference in Russian equipment at the start and the end of WW2. It's been said 1000x before, but what if Moscow was taken in 1941?
Without wanting to critize Red Army tactics, at the end, they did have the numbers of soldiers, next to better equipment. Lots of 1944-1945 battles do tell of lots of USSR soldiers against small amounts of Germans. While German defense was very skilled and battles unbalanced in numbers, they still managed to hurt even knowing the chance was almost nihil.
I guess it happened in a lot of wars: those who have nothing to lose, fight harder, no? If Moscow was taken in 1941? Nothing. It wouldn't change outcome in any significant way. Regarding bolded part: to even commence an attack rule of the thumb is to have 3:1 advantage. Therefore German defense was like any other defense. You could also argue that it was worse than average defense given the fact that Soviets were able to break German defenses with inferior numbers as well. Stanenberg of course, however keep in mind rascist prejudice was common for that time in the entire world not only Germany. Key difference being Germans allowed prejudice to get into the military which led to the results we all here know. EDIT: about point b by Stanenberg: To be precise Germans copied Soviet theories about tank warfare (from 1930's) and implemented them (reason why implementation wasn't done earlier was due to Stalin) so it was more like steal back the stolen.  |
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Post by gagarin on May 12, 2016 18:11:30 GMT 1
There is also the fact that certain German officers assisted in teaching the Red Army the tactics needed to defeat their own armies. It is one thing to surrender\be captured and wait the outcome of the war-it is another to be a traitor. Announce please such facts. The first time I heard about this.
That's right. In the case of the fall of Moscow in the war would not have changed. Napoleon once already made this mistake. |
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