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Post by Jagged Steel on May 9, 2014 2:10:06 GMT 1
Sorry. I haven't see your message. I'm actually on OpenSpy. but don't see anyone. LOL- I was on for hours and just logged off to check Gamespy. I am back on Openspy now. |
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Post by Jagged Steel on May 9, 2014 2:45:42 GMT 1
Ok, Mogwaii and myself have had the very first successful game on Openspy! The initial game load was much faster and the gameplay was much smoother than I usually see on Gamespy, with me being in the USA and my opponents usually being in Europe, as was the case with our test. Mogwaii is in France and I am in Arizona, so about 1/3 the way around the world. We had a crash about 10 minutes into the game, but we are pretty sure that is because he has Stalingrad AI logic installed and I have the original. Hopefully we can get enough people from Gamespy to try this out this weekend to help bring out any bugs there may be. But all in all, I have a much improved outlook as far as the prospects of continued BK Multiplayer goes.
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Post by frostyhawk on May 9, 2014 3:36:44 GMT 1
the crash could be because openspy crashes a-lot, if you have any downtime, you have to contact me so i can reboot it; once we have the things figured out, we will be able to handle it better  |
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Post by Jagged Steel on May 9, 2014 4:03:57 GMT 1
The crash may have been from the system going down, but we actually figured that the game would not work at all with us using two different AI logics, which you can change in BK. That, along with the fact that when we exited the game after the crash the room was still functioning and we went back to the chat room makes me think that particular crash was most likely due to resource differences (the AI logic).
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Post by Major Pain on May 9, 2014 5:58:22 GMT 1
Apparently I do not have the gamespy multiplayer option in my Anthology.
If anyone has a work around to add it, let me know.
This may be an issue for future multiplayers. It appears that recent Anthology downloads or boxed sets do not have the gamespy multiplayer option. I've checked 3 different Anthology versions, 2 box sets and one download from GOG.
So if the MP community is going to attract new players, we better have a backup plan or work around for this.
On Anthology versions without gamespy, the patch does not change anything that will be useful or that adds MP.
There seems to be an issue with one file: binmay.exe. Whatever you guys do... do not DIRECTLY run this file. Run the bin file only and let it run binmay.exe. At least from what I see, that is what is suppose to occur.
On my system it changed my default language from English to German on all menu buttons. The impact affects the Windows Registry which tracks your BK game.exe and mapeditor locations and folders. It took me several hours to figure out what was going on. My mistake was not reading the release note and assuming the binmay.exe is the run file. After looking into the small program, I can't really see how it works, but the issue developed on two different Blitzkrieg Anthology installs. One was my original, the second was one of my Work Versions. The quick fix is to simply re-run the install program from GOG or the Box CD.
For those of you that are still using your older CDs for RT or BH, you really should acquire Anthology. Those CDs will eventually be worn to the point of causing the StarForce to fail. My original BH did not have this, but the CD must be in the tray to run. That versions is now unusable, so Anthology was my only option. My RT is not far behind, and since most of my research and work is in RT, it was an issue since StarForce and CD in tray are a double curse. Anthology took care of both issues. But as stated, recent Anthology will not give you the gamespy option.
The reason may be due to the gamespy decision about a year ago to close down. The news was only discussed here in the last several weeks, but I'm finding sources who claim this was in the works for a year and a half.
I'm certain that our combined talents can overcome this issue. Since Openspy has opened their arms to our community, I hope our community will solve any issues that arise on our part.
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Post by iLeeT_PeeP on May 9, 2014 12:24:39 GMT 1
I am not "anti-installer" for BK mods and other data, per say, but I think the utility of them is hugely over-estimated and based on faulty reasoning. I see it this way: If a person knows where his BK folders are then there is no need for an installer, it is just a nuisance. If a person does not know where his BK folders are then there is a high degree of probability that he will fail to get anything installed via the installer. This is because if the person has his game installed in even a slightly different location (or has Anthology instead of BK when the installer is looking for old BK or vice-versa) from that which is the default location chosen in the installer then he does not know where to tell it to install. Fail. Wasted download and disgruntled BKr. Then he might start monkeying around blindly and mess up his BK install and/or his entire PC. I know this because I was this guy for a long time before I got into the modding of games myself and I know that the vast majority of those who use mods and such are pretty much in that category still. In my opinion a pictorial how-to showing exactly how to find your BK folders and clearly showing where the new data for the game is to be put is 1,000 times more useful than making an installer. And then there is the .exe security issue. I know you were one of the first BK modders ,Peep, but I am not sure if you are aware of the rash of Malware in BK mods with installers that was going around about 5-6 years ago. I remember it real well because I was the victim of a nasty thing that F-d up my entire PC that came from a BK mod in an installer. I can't remember if the verdict on that is whether someone had injected the malware into the installer code or had added the bad stuff to the data that is installed, or both. At any rate there were fair amount of people who were affected by this , and many probably do not even know where the nasty virus they got right after they used an installer came from. lol? Fair enough Jagg...  Carry on man... -iLeeT_PeeP |
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Post by Jagged Steel on May 9, 2014 15:52:18 GMT 1
Sorry to hear that you have thus far been unable to get the Gamespy option working, MP. On the upside, as far as this project to replace Gamespy is concerned, it appears that the issue you had with the patch was due to you having an install without the Gamespy option, and that coupled with perhaps inadvertently running the incorrect patch file caused the strange language change issue you experienced. All of the guys who currently play on Gamespy, who are the real target audience for replacing Gamespy, definitely do have Gamespy on their installs already so that will not be an issue. I am going to be pretty busy today, but sometime in the next day or two I will find the time to make an in depth pictorial how-to showing exactly how to locate your BK folder location and such for installing this patch to help the Multiplayer guys who are generally less familiar with BK and it's folder structure to get the Openspy patch installed. I stayed on Openspy all last night and did not see any messages to indicate there had been any visitors, but I can report that the room was still functioning fine after all that time (still is), which is promising. I know there are some stability issues with Openspy at this point, but that needs to be tempered with the fact that Gamespy has it's own glitches, and if you were on Gamespy for an entire day you would likely experience some sort of crash on it. I sure hope you are able to find a copy of BK with Gamespy on it MP, I am looking forward to showing you a few of the finer points of BK Multiplayer.  P.S: I am going to leave a game up in the lobby of Openspy today. My player name is UrOnOpenspy and the game title says "LeaveMessage". So, anyone who wants to get familiar with Openspy please drop by and leave a message in that room. I may be able to fit a couple of games in today, so if I happen to be around when you drop by perhaps we can give Openspy another live-fire test today. |
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Post by Major Pain on May 9, 2014 17:01:13 GMT 1
I'm going back through all of my archive stuff and CD looking for the Gamespy MP stuff. I'm not even sure I have it. But the recent Anthology does not. So as mentioned, that is going to handicap new MP members with Antology. Since Anthology seems to be the only recent release anyone can get hold of, there should be a work-around for MP.
A couple of members have contacted me and offered solutions. Sometime today I hope to check those out.
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Post by Mogwaii on May 9, 2014 19:46:02 GMT 1
@major Pain : You have only Direct IP option for multiplayer game with Anthology ?
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Post by Jagged Steel on May 9, 2014 19:58:00 GMT 1
@major Pain : You have only Direct IP option for multiplayer game with Anthology ? It appears that copies of Anthology made since the announcement that Gamespy was being dissolved have had the Gamespy option stripped out of them. This is likely to be the source of the bizarre language change that MP experienced. My guess is that when the Gamespy code was removed from the hexcode it was recompiled to remove the empty spaces and the patch then made it's changes to code sections other than what it is meant to, as it is aimed at a specific location. On behalf of the entire BK Multiplayer community I want to thank MP for jumping on that grenade so that some BKr with less technical prowess did not have to discover this! |
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Post by Major Pain on May 9, 2014 20:59:58 GMT 1
@major Pain : You have only Direct IP option for multiplayer game with Anthology ? It appears that copies of Anthology made since the announcement that Gamespy was being dissolved have had the Gamespy option stripped out of them. This is likely to be the source of the bizarre language change that MP experienced. My guess is that when the Gamespy code was removed from the hexcode it was recompiled to remove the empty spaces and the patch then made it's changes to code sections other than what it is meant to, as it is aimed at a specific location. On behalf of the entire BK Multiplayer community I want to thank MP for jumping on that grenade so that some BKr with less technical prowess did not have to discover this! Mogwaii: Direct IP did not work on my system. But I'm working behind a huge firewall at the moment. I'm working on a mirror TCP connection to see if that will work. I'm still working on the gamespy MP issue. After checking 10 copies of Anthology, none have the gamespy option. The build dates are the same so these we all built from the same masters. I'm not sure exactly yet how far back I will need to go, but I'm assuming that master will be dated in 2006 or 2007. That does not mean that Anthology versions released after that did not have gamespy, it just means the most recent build did not have it. Since all of the downloaded Anthology versions came from either Amazon or GOG, I assume they were built by NIVAL, or perhaps CDV. So I plan to contact NIVAL for technical assistance on this. I'm going out on a limb for just a minute here. NIVAL has to make money to stay in business. It is in their best interest to not continue to support BK1 or BK2, but urge players to move to BK3. I could run into resistance trying to obtain their help. So please keep an open mind. Since BK1 players including the MP community seem to be pretty entrenched in their support of BK1, I may need your help with a petition of some kind to show NIVAL the level of support here. I believe NIVAL would be interested to know that we are still here and supporting their original concept with our own works. I want to thank the guys that have been working overtime to resolve this issue. Without some of the discussion we would not be aware of the MP issues discovered in the last two days until it was too late. We are all in the same little boat. It's time to get out the oars and start paddling to the future. |
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Post by Major Pain on May 9, 2014 21:27:11 GMT 1
Quick Update;
I need to determine what versions of Rolling Thunder players are using.
Sources are advising me that----
Recent Anthology Rolling Thunder releases are 1.2.
Rolling Thunder that supports gamespy appear to be 1.3.
I need to confirm this.
I'm working on the 1.3 Rolling Thunder Patch because it does not install properly to Anthology. If it does not locate Rolling Thunder in your Windows Registry, it will not run. Anthology does not record Rolling Thunder in the Registry... it records RTBH in early releases and RTBH2 in late releases.
I also would like to know if anyone has tried to run the 1.3 patch and had success. This is the gamespy patch. The 1.2 patch did not add gamespy, but only corrected some MP IP issues.
You will see the version of Rolling Thunder you are running on the First Menu Screen in the lower right. It is possible that some 1.2 versions may exist that are capable of the gamespy option. But generally, these are 1.3 versions.
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Post by Jagged Steel on May 9, 2014 21:36:13 GMT 1
Forgive me if this is an overly simplistic question, but are you 100% certain that you are actually in the Blitzkrieg installation portion of Anthology and that it is purely Blitzkrieg and not mixed up somehow , MP?
I do not know what exactly you are referring to as far as Rolling Thunder goes, this is strictly for Blitzkrieg and has nothing at all to do with Rolling Thunder.
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Post by Scyooff on May 9, 2014 21:46:26 GMT 1
MP speaks about the BH-RT folder in Anthology, when you're run this one you can't go on gamespy, while when you run the Blitzkrieg folder of the same Anthology version you can go in gamespy, here are two screens to show you :   and in Panzerkrieg, it's the same problem there's no gamespy option into it. |
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Post by Major Pain on May 9, 2014 22:07:21 GMT 1
JS: It has much to do with Blitzkrieg in general.
I mention Rolling Thunder since it is the most widely used platform.
Rolling Thunder along with several other Releases did not include Multiplayer. The 1.3 patch was released for this purpose. Well I have now confirmed that the 1.3 patch does work to add Multiplayer to Rolling Thunder. But it does not support GameSpy.
I Created new clean installs of both Burning Horizon and Rolling Thunder. i was able to run the 1.3 patch. BH does not accept the patch, but RT does.
My original Rolling Thunder released in 2004 did not have the Multiplayer included. The 1.3 patch adds it. The 1.2 patch did not run which may be the gamespy key here. But I don't recall even adding the 1.2 patch to RT since my version was 1.2. After running the 1.3 patch, the RT version is now RT 1.3.
So, my question now is are you using Blitzkrieg vanilla for MP or another version?
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