MAP SIZES

[Mat]

For a better Realistic Mapping i would be very happy if i could use 64x64 Maps.

Does anyone know about how to change common preferences in Mapeditor to change mapsizes?

[ariete]

remember that then you must fill it for whole.
i think a 20x20 or 30x is aready excellent for spent time in try it and play it.
i don't understand your question?! anyway max is 32x

[Mat]

my question is if anybody knows a hack to "break" 32x32 maximum. But i also know that if its hardcoded there is no chance to.
i would like to try it that we can have a more realistic artillery range for big battles

[Denis]

hmmm....60x60 map is almost 4 times bigger than 32x32. I wonder who would map such huge map. Imho 32x32 is already pretty huge.
"better Realistic Mapping"....hmm I dont really understand what u mean with this. Do you want make huge fields like in real? Villages with 100 houses? Well when u make such huge open fields and villages u would need bigger ranges as you mentioned with artillery. However u must edit ranges and sights for everything because for example fight on huge open field with ranges around 60 would looks really dump (1x1km field and tanks fire against each other from 100 metres ). On realistic maps we would need huge ranges. I cant even imagine it...more than 200?? Then it doesnt make sense because u can create same area on 32x32 but a bit smaller and with smaller ranges. But with ranges which fit perfectly into game and into map size

Anyway some map which would cover for example whole normandy coast wouldnt be bad at all

[Mat]

ok i see im goin too far as always

[Major Pain]

Yes, you can modify the map size.   But you need to have some understanding of the 1.xml code.     The process is beyond what I care to discuss here.    There used to be a guide that showed how to do this, so try to find it from one of the members.  At any rate, it is also beyond the ability of this forum to teach it here...   so such a document is more like a manual...  perhaps one of the other members might wish to share that.

But as SVKblitz stated...   64x64 is about 4 of the 32x32 maps... 400% larger.
 

That is a huge amount of object and scenery data to load.  The larger the map, the more information the game engines has to keep track of...   I'm not sure if anyone found the maximum size threshold.  But I assure you there is.  At some point you just push the limits too far for the game engine.

You can download my Range/Distance Chart from my MediaFire Page.  It provides the scaled distances in the game.   The chart provides distance and range data beyond a 32 x32 map... which is about 5000 x 5000 scaled feet.

The scale distances has been discussed for years.   The weapon ranges and sight distances have been discussed for years.   Some of the best player/programmers have take apart the open game code and put it back together again trying to make huge changes in the game.  Some things can be done, some cannot.  

Most of the hard coded things are beyond the reach or comprehension of most players.  But changes in the hard code will not resolve the issues alone, which is why major changes have not been performed.  

Early next year, I hope to bring the first renovations to the hard coded aspects of the game, but it will require that each player also update their game to take advantage of the re-work.   And so it goes...   Generation II is coming and I hope it will support 64 x 64 maps.  I'm testing modifications to the Map Editor now.

[Mat]

Great, Thanks for this golden Information Major Pain!
i will find the stuff and check it out, your Range Chart i have downloaded some weeks earlier, its a great tool!
edit: with 1.xml i can work good meanwhile and it gets better every day
The Size of 64x64 is too large, for the map i wanna build i only need 48x48 as i understood now.
This not only for artillery ranges, also for Realistic Mapping based on Army Action Reports im working on.

Great, Great News

[Major Pain]

Let me further add to this discussion.

In the game engine, map data is stored by what we call the VIS.   If you read through the Range Chart, VIS is not mentioned, but there are 16 x 16 VIS within a Tile... so it is pretty small area.

If you do some math, that translate to 64 x 64 VIS in a Square.   

At this point you should begin to see a pattern develop.

Now think about the maximum map size 32 x32... multiplying 32 x 64 gives you the number VIS per side... 4608.   If you divide the VIS by 48 meters (Tile Width) ... you can get the area size of the VIS.

Now do you see the pattern?

Do you see a binary octal forming?


Binary Code within an Octal (or Octet) is comprised of 8 digits, or locations.   Each of these locations is either on or off.

0 = off
1 = on

Reading the locations from left to right, each position translates to a number value.

Location  1__ 2  __3 __ 4   _  5    6  _   7     8

Value      1,__ 2, __4, _16, _32, _64, 128, 256

If you total all of the locations, the maximum number is 255.  By turning on or off each location, you can create a Octal Value between Zero and 255.   Remember the value 256?   

Now go back to Basic Computer 101 for a second.    Computers over time evolved:   8 bit, 16 bit, 32 and now 64 bit. 

Do you see the same pattern?   The same binary in use...  we also call it 'Power of Two'.

We learn very early that a Kilobyte is 1000 bits or bytes.   We also learn that 1 megabyte is 1000 kilobytes.  This is 1000 squared.... (the Power of Two).

But wait a second...   did you learn a megabyte was actually 1024² bytes and a Kilobyte is the is 1024³?      Remember the value 256?    

That is because that is the binary number and is the correct value.   Remember the value 256?

It is understood that we use two different forms of the values.... decimal and binary... they can be interchanged easily.

So you have to sometimes tell others which form to expect, if they are not PC trained in 101.

Oh... the value 256 is the definition of an Eight Byte Computer...   can you say Commodore 64?

Actually you can only use 0 to 255 for the numbers.... but there are 256 values, some forget about ZERO.

1024 / 256 = 4  Binary
1000 / 250 = 4  Decimal

Binary Code actually is the Grandfather of Hexadecimal Code.  Say that 3 times as fast as you can...

Binary Code is the Great Grandfather of IPv4 and IPv6, or Internet Protocol and Addresses.

i could bring in JAVA and some other languages at this point...  but won't...   you can read about them if interested.


Back to Binary Code.   When I first was introduced to computers in 1970, some through the military, some through a job, then mostly self taught later...     we used Binary codes to write programs.  Each number value represented a command or specific instructions... This is where the ASCII Code comes from that defines our numbers and alphabet in Binary Code.   A= 64, B = 65, C = 66... etc...   Some still call this Machine Language...   The PC is designed around Machine Language.  Because that is the Computer's native Language,  nothing can beat the native language in terms of Speed.  So we translate the languages into the processor.   I could write volumes on this... later perhaps...

Ok... I'm sure this boring to all of the members reading this...  and I'm sorry about that....  BUT!

Until you understand Binary Code, you cannot crack the Blitzkrieg Game Codes.   Binary Code is used for almost every function and command for your 3D tanks and trucks.   Binary Code is what allows the 2D Infantry to move using Sprite Flipping or Shifting.    Binary Code is what allows range and sight and weapon values...  So everything virtually is written in Binary Code... not decimal C+ Code, but BINARY Code.   You must have a BINARY  to Decimal Translator to rewrite everything into C+, unless you can translate Binary in your head.  I can, but most can't.  But I have used it for almost 50 years from my work on IBM Systems.

Memory on your PC is based on the Binary System...   just because it says you have one Gigabyte, that is the decimal value.  The correct size is the Binary Number of 1024 raised to the power of 3.  (1024³)=  1,073,741,824 bytes.

Now figure out how many Octals (Octets) in a 64 bit system...

Translation:  

First Octal = 256

Second Octal =512

Third Octal = 768

Fourth Octal = 1024

Whew, this is going to take a while...  

Eight Octal = 2028

Sixteenth Octal = 4056

Thirty Second Octal = 8112

Sixty Fourth Octal = 16224  <---------- here is your answer.... 64 bit means there are 64 Octals (Octets) in a 64 bit machine.

So, did you learn that 1 Octal (Octet) is the same as 1 Byte?



We can further crunch this data down by arranging the Octals into subsets of 4 ,8, or 16 Octals in a String...  8 is common right now since 8 or 8 gives you 64 bit machines.   In the old days we called this a Radix... 8 Octals - 1 Radix, but the term has fallen out of favor accept in higher mathematics.

So now you know more about the Blitzkrieg Code than you ever wanted to learn.  





I see you are confused...   

Questions?


Major Pain

[Mat]

not too much confused, just need some time to widen my view it seems to be 3 steps + to what i knew already!
I will try things and let you all know how it is going when i reached something!

Thank you very much

[Folgore]

Well, mat, you could find this thread interesting blitzsrbija.proboards.com/thread/418/global-campaign

[Mat]

That Thread is a 100% Match, Thanks 1000 times, Folgore :-)

[yersinia]

Map for Blitzkrieg(Rolling Thunder) size 64х64, TEST
Есть возможность сделать карту размерами, которые больше 32х32.
По просьбе уважаемого Major Pain здесь карта 64х64.- rusfolder.com/44225928
Теоретически, карту можно сделать любого размера, превышающего 32х32.
НО! ЕСТЬ ПРОБЛЕМА, КОТОРУЮ РЕШИТЬ НЕЛЬЗЯ.
Юниты, которые расположены на карте в пределах "зоны 32", при любом перемещении за эти пределы влекут крах (вылет) из игры.
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It is possible to make a map of the size of more than 32x32.
As requested the distinguished Major Pain here 64x64 map.
In theory, the map can be made of any size greater than 32x32.
BUT! There are problems that can not be solved.
Units that are arranged on the map within the "area 32", for any movement beyond that involve the collapse (departure) of the game.
Moreover, units located outside the "area 32", can be moved across the map (wherever you go).
Maybe someone will be able to implement it into Blitzkrieg

rusfolder.com/44225928.

[Quintaxel]

Larger maps and very long ranges may be more realistic but would these maps be more fun to play.
Imagine that you need to scroll back and forth from one side of the map to another on a 64x64 map.
You could also scale the speed of units to better match the scale of the map but again I doubt that this would improve the gameplay.
Still I think it is a very interesting topic.

[keepitsimple]

If understand correctly you can make a 64x64 map but does this also mean you could make a 15 X 64 map?

This could be great for Operation Market Garden or D-day.

One first 15 x32 you would have the advance of the players ground troops. In part next to this an airborne landing. In between a river that can't be crossed.

In size it would be still be equeal to a 32x32 but more left to right.  

[yersinia]

Thanks for the idea. It seems that the creation of maps 16(N)x64(M), 28(N)x36(M), and the like (32х32=1024, NxM, N<32, M>32, but NxM<=1024), does not lead to the collapse of the game, when moving units of the «area32».

Create cards, the size of which is greater than 32x32.
1) Open (create) in D:\Blitzkrieg\Data\scenarios\Templates\Summer\template18.xml
2) File «template18.xml» can be any of the folder (for example, template00.xml, template01.xml ....).
3) Open the file «template18.xml» using WordPad.
4) Find: Size x = "9" y = "9" and replaced by: Size x = "16" y = "64". Save. (There are two entries in the file).
5) Open Mapeditor. Press the button File, Create Random Map.
6) In the window «Create Random Map» choose:
Template - scenarios\templates\summer\template18
Context - context.xml (are on the way: Scenarios\Chapters\Allies\France\context.xml)
Graph – 0
Settings - Scenarios\Settings\summer_ukraine.xml (here any file from this folder)
7) Click "OK" - the card is created and saved in the folder "Maps".
8) Download the map in the editor, and draw on it whatever you want.

rusfolder.com/44233725 There are three "empty" map 17x60, 20x51, 28x36; Problems does not exist(with the collapse of the game), map working at 100%. Who has time, can make them a new mission.